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Hey Fedi.

I need to call out someone for their arm length history of shitty and toxic behaviour.

The thread will be under CW, but it may generate some discourse outside my control.

So, if you're fragile, tired, if this kind of topics is draining for you, you may want to add a filter for the terms "DashEquals", to avoid being exposed to this.

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DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment

So, we need to talk about DashEquals.

His behaviour is ranging from creepy to dangerous and abusive, with all the shitty variations in the middle.

One could write a book on him, but I lacked the time and will, so what I will share instead is a blog post documenting some known issues with him:

https://eliotberriot.com/2019/07/11/we-need-to-talk-about-dashequals.html

I'm sure you can share more.

Some people already called him out in the past, fought him, dealt with him and the consequences of his actions. Gathering evidences of his behaviour. Thanks, to all of you, because it made writing this easier.

In the next message, I'll include a full copy of the blog post linked above, so you can read/share it on fedi.

Thank you for spreading the word, and please, please, do not let this person (or anyone like him) in your communities.

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DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

This is a copy of https://eliotberriot.com/2019/07/11/we-need-to-talk-about-dashequals.html meant for reading/sharing on fedi.

However, I'd recommend reading it on the blog if you can, because it's lengthy and may be updated in the future. The blog version also has proper markup and is more readable.

3/3

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*Content warning: call-out, harasser, violent language.*

I didn't wanted to do this but there's a limit to what people should be able to do and say without consequences. And DashEquals went far, far beyond.

Maybe you now him, alrealy. If you're on fediverse, his main account is <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals>, but he has at least an alternative account on <https://ap.torlipen.net/DashEquals>.

He's also using a short notation for his name, `-=` (dash and equals signs) on other platforms, like Matrix.

Now that the most basic presentation is done, let me formerly introduce you.

Meet DashEquals…

## The creepy archivist

DashEquals was the person who archived the now down Berries.Space Mastodon instance. Without user consent. Thousands of post made by teenagers, lots of them from LGBTQI groups.

He never apologized, despite being repeated over and over than doing so was creepy, dangerous, unethical, borderline illegal and formerly rejected by the Archive.org team itself.

He just doesn't see the issue and use other people/company bad actions as a justification <https://ap.torlipen.net/notice/9kWpvMl6psJjqCn1EW>

It was documented better than I could do by other people, so check <https://fanlore.org/wiki/Berries.space> and <https://bune.city/2019/05/archive-team-and-the-fediverse/> for more info.

## The toxic techbro

Unsollicited advice, elitism, bad faith, mansplaining, just pick your poison.

- <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102128870406165515>
- <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102128897322110086>
- <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102300247189930641>

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About blocks:

> It looks like I didn't respond to their post because they were right.
>
> <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102301272847642809>

So he's concerned by people blocking him because it could make it look like he's wrong.

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> ze/zem pronouns are stupid because they undermine the point of pronouns.
>
> <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102237126811412787>

Thanks dude!

## The nazi and fascist enabler (at best)

- <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102328659143188156>
- <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102288955725480797>
- <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102401968565257964>

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To quote his words:

> Therefore, it's best to assume good faith, and NO MATTER WHAT, do not treat someone badly.
>
> <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102328658821768268>

The caps are from the original post.

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> Let's do a test: I'll make a profile claiming to be in one of the groups that Nazis often target, and see how many Nazis actually target me (cause I see the argument "if you're in one of their targeted groups you'd see more of them" but I kind of doubt it).
>
> <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102288955725480797>

Not going to comment on this one. This is sick.

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He regularly boost this kind of content:

- <https://linuxrocks.online/@omnipotens/102413781983979638>
- <https://mstdn.io/@one/102405722897691953>

## The oppressor

Because why not? This has been running for a while. Against women, obviously, but also against every marginalized group in general:

- <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102324197580669537>

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He want to be able to use the n-word.

<https://ap.torlipen.net/notice/9kY7D2b0QsQOtk2ORc>
<https://ap.torlipen.net/notice/9kY94NgEs6bramU2uO>

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He's not happy about blocks, because it prevents him from harassing whoever he wants.

> Blocks on Mastodon shouldn't exist, mutes and forced unfollows are enough. Blocking someone at all is a total dick move and I lose all respect for anyone who does it.
>
> <https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102276636811862698>

Of course that means that blocking Gab is bad somehow and we should just welcome those nazis for the sake of free speech or whatever. Cf previous part.

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More recently, he also shared a huge list of filters he's applying to his timeline, to ensure he's not bothered with unwanted discourse. Sexism, violence, minorities, nazis…

It would be funny, coming from someone who constantly assimilates blocking and censorship, but it also reduce the chance he'll ever be confronted to the consequences of his actions.

<https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102410292316878359>

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He's constantly discussing and mocking moderation choices of other people that are trying to protect themselves.

- <https://ap.torlipen.net/notice/9kj3FTkM11Jgfl1N7g>
- <https://ap.torlipen.net/notice/9ki6kywYBMIR6oTmbI>

## The harasser

I have to elaborate a little bit about this one, and things will get personal, because DashEquals was a member of the Funkwhale community.

On June 24th, we wrote together with the Funkwhale core team a statement to formerly support people blocking Gab (a nazi server) on the fediverse (<https://mastodon.eliotberriot.com/@funkwhale/102326269307126709>).

We explicitely stated that this wasn't up to discussion and debate in the comments, yet, he just couldn't help it (<https://linuxrocks.online/@DashEquals/102326804453476748>).

So he end up being blocked on fedi by the Funkwhale account for this reason. It could've end up here, but the day later, he asked on Matrix if he was still welcome in the community.

At the time, he was also targeting one of our mods, Ginny, and when put all the pieces together, including some mentioned in that post, we decided we wanted him gone.

I talked to him in private, in an attempt to prevent some unwanted discourse, both for him and for us. Obviously, it was a mistake, because it mainly protected him. I'm deeply sorry about that.

## Why today?

Of course, harassment against Ginny continued after he was kicked, and DashEquals even contacted me today because she was supposedly infringing our Code of Conduct. Read below, I'm speechless:

> Hello,
>
> I’m not trying to appeal my ban from the Funkwhale project, as it is ultimately your choice whether I’m allowed to be part of it, and I understand that the behavior that I have exhibited could reasonably be considered unacceptable.
>
> However, I encourage you to check this out: <https://kitty.town/@GinnyMcQueen/102411860344968494>
>
> I feel like the behavior exhibited there is definitely a violation of the Code of Conduct, in particular:
>
> Continuing to engage in conversation or inciting users to engage another user in continued interaction or discussion after a user has requested for said engagement to cease may be considered harassment, regardless of platform-specific privacy tools employed.
>
> (I requested that she stop talking about me here: <https://ap.torlipen.net/notice/9kgTjJF5eJXa7EP2HY>, she mocked my request)
>
> Intentionally posting or disseminating libel, slander, or other disinformation.
>
> Claiming I’m “obsessed” with her, I won’t stop harassing women, and that I “lost my absolute shit”
>
> Thank you for reviewing

What's going on is that DashEquals is trying to make Ginny looks like she's crazy. He's referring to a thread by her, posted yesterday: <https://kitty.town/@GinnyMcQueen/102411860344968494>. He says that, by doing so, she's not respecting his boundaries, blocks, etc.

What's going on is that DashEquals has been spreading lies and slander about her *for months*. Have a look at <https://ap.torlipen.net/notice/9kUFt1oqnrFDPZcITI>. Everything that DashEquals blames Ginny for, he's been doing *for months*.

What's going on is that DashEquals wants to isolate Ginny, and cut her from her friends. At the same time, by posting about her in public, he's making her a target for harassment and worse. This is disgusting.

Ironically, what's going on is that this person, who didn't care about user privacy when archiving berries.space, who can't live knowing someone blocked him, who don't care about nazis being there, now want to be protected from the consequences of his actions.

## So, what now?

This person is never wrong and never apologizes. He won't stop harassing Ginny, he's spreading dangerous ideas, he's acting as an enabler for even more toxic people and behaviours…

Ginny is in danger because of him. I assume this is possibly also the case for other marginalized people.

Telling him to stop didn't work. Kicking him out didn't work.

At this point, the only recourse we have is to cut *him* from his community, friends and networks. This is just damage control, to reduce his impact:
If he can't spread his shit, he'll be less harmful.

The only actual way to solve the issue would be for him to do some introspection and change, but I have a feeling this is not going to happen anytime soon.

If you want to help with this, here is a couple of ideas.

Are you working with him? Interacting with him? Following him? Is he a member of your communities?

Then please, confront him. Kick him from your communities if you can, or report him to mods and project managers otherwise. Ensure he's not welcome in your spaces. Report him.

Ensure he's blocked by you or, better, by your instance. This will protect you from him, reduce his visibility and make the fediverse a worse place for him.

Please, do this, and spread the word.

Thanks.

*Oh and, DashEquals, if you read this: don't bother contacting me, or Ginny. We're way past this point. You know what to do, and not to do.*

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@eliotberriot

one point that i feel needs to be clarified: while DashEquals was involved in archive team's mission to archive berries.space *and* defended it (which is not great), i don't think he personally pulled the trigger on archiving berries.space.

the other points are certainly on point.

he claims to be a kid, which may explain a lot, but even still, he involves himself in shit unnecessarily and seems incapable of just taking things easy. he can certainly wear down my patience from time to time.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@eliotberriot one point of contention:

>DashEquals was the person who archived the now down Berries.Space

this is untrue, they actually had nothing to do with it. they just defended it, a lot, for seemingly no reason (and on behalf of nobody).

DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@eliotberriot
(Note : all links to his toots are broken. Account deleted possibly)

DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment

@eliotberriot >I'm sure you can share more.

Yeah.

He also goes by the name "ealgase", a name which was used when he signed up on the GIMP bug tracker to invade a thread recently (it got trolled to complete deletion along with his account - probably because he brought channer friends along with him).

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @eliotberriot i even thought it was ok.

DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@eliotberriot heads up, seems that he deleted all his linked posts and his server is currently down

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@brainblasted @eliotberriot yeah, he deleted his account according to what he said in an IRC channel

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini this dude cancelled him so hard his linuxrocks account is gone and his single user instance is down 👀

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@kaniini funny how this is like the 10th account he's jumped to in the last 3 months.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @kaniini "he’s spreading dangerous ideas" wow allowing gab to exist is hitlter

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan

maybe he will learn something from it.

as i said, he likes to jump into shit that does not concern him, unnecessarily.

he does not let things go.

he does not recognize when to be the bigger person and walk from situations.

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re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini the people he's creeping on will never forgive no matter how much he grows

He would have to assume a new online identity and play dumb upon return, and of course simply not do those things again

He could do it tho

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@1iceloops123 @dielan

no. the final issue was the stalking and harassment of a funkwhale staffer.

i put up with your bullshit because you're just expressing your opinion. that's fine, even if i find many of your opinions disagreeable. you don't start creeping on people when they disagree.

dashequals has done so before.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@kaniini @brainblasted @eliotberriot

>call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
>call out, toxic behaviour
>call out

yup, another cancel thread

stop agoogleclap making agoogleclap these agoogleclap stupid agoogleclap threads

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan

oh, absolutely, that identity is 100% burned.

my only advice is that he learn from this experience and start over, *not* doing the shit he was doing.

DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@brainblasted Shit like this is why I'm developing my "I need to know you're a real human who won't just delete their anonymous accounts and try again like this is 4chan and you're trying to roll a triple. @eliotberriot

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@karolat @kaniini @eliotberriot Abuse happens in the dark. To shine light on an abuser is to help deter them. Like what happened here.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @dielan yeah and deleting his account would been a bad idea and define harassment his site is deleted and his account so for i know this is a joke.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @dielan because you don't know what he really said

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @kaniini like i would rather side with equals because i think this is like a me too thing knowning these people but i guess i'm toxic cording to mastodon.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@1iceloops123
Nobody thought to archive the archival guy? 😆

I actually bore witness to some of these threads before the account was deleted. I didn't see any of the creeping though but it looks like that was mostly in DMs
@kaniini

DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@brainblasted @eliotberriot FYI he also has

dashequals@pleroma.fuwafuwa.moe

Which I expect he might fall back on now.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@1iceloops123 @dielan

i can assure you, i'm fully aware of what he was saying and doing, having been the target of some of it.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@brainblasted @karolat @eliotberriot

yes, in this case, it is hopeful that he learn from the experience. he did admit in IRC that he has made many mistakes, so there's that at least.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @1iceloops123

the creepy stuff was mostly on matrix.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@brainblasted @eliotberriot @kaniini my point is to shine light on the fact that op starting this thread is in itself toxic behavior and harassment. if he has a problem he should block the person or, even better, dm them criticism first. idk why people tolerate these threads tbh, there are better things op and everyone else can be talking about

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@1iceloops123 @dielan @kaniini i welcome the new better opsec dashequals -- kid makes funny posts -- and I'm not going to engage in the weirdo Stasi bandwagon against him. After all I'm not some Maoist or Juche nutcase.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @dielan i'm not awared of it since we don't have away to look at old posts.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@static @1iceloops123 @dielan

i mean, it doesn't matter, ultimately.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@trwnh @brainblasted @eliotberriot

What a courageous guy! :/

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@1iceloops123
Your skepticism is warranted. The funkwhale devs are sketchy and I don't like them.

Talking about his now-dead identity isn't going to bring him back weather any of these claims are true or not so it's not really worth the energy to pick a side. If anything he is LUCKY they didn't archive his account first.
@kaniini

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@karolat @brainblasted @eliotberriot

because his behaviour has been the topic of the day in several workspaces for weeks now. it is no surprise that eliot had had enough of it.

you assume that people have not been trying to help him to understand why he is pissing people off. i assure you, this is not the case at all. again, his behaviour has been the topic of the day in several channels on matrix and IRC.

> " nazi and fascist enabler"
nah, he's like a dumb 17 year old who trolls around and has fun on gnusocial

>The oppressor
>Because why not? This has been running for a while. Against women, obviously, but also against every marginalized group in general:

IT'S KIND OF A HARSH LABEL to call some dumbass teenager THE OPPRESSOR, quote, against EVERY MARGINALIZED GROUP. just because he fucks around on the weird off-brand twitter thing that's supposed to be about privacy and freedom. fuck off lmao

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @kaniini yeah funkwhale devs reeeing about blocking nazis just like mastodon admin and pixelfeild admins. like really i don't think people would use a music app or instagram who would be a nazi.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @1iceloops123

his skepticism is warranted sure, but i am willing to vouch for the criticism as valid because his behaviour has been discussed in several other spaces.

multiple people have tried to give him advice on how to exist in the fediverse without starting shit unnecessarily. he ignores the advice. he gets cancelled.

this is a dog bites man story.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@karolat @eliotberriot @kaniini @brainblasted

"dm them criticism first" is exactly what eliot did. it didn't work. eliot is talking about it bc it's become a consistently reoccurring issue

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@trwnh @brainblasted @eliotberriot @karolat

not to mention the *several days* you, dansup and me have personally spent explaining to him in IRC why he is pissing people off and how to stop doing so.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @dielan @1iceloops123 I really don't think it's such a bad thing that he archived some instance. After all you know Google and the Deep State are already archiving public fedi, and there's creepy stalkers with their own private mirrors. The drama and outrage over that seemed a bit artificial to me.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@karolat @eliotberriot @kaniini @brainblasted

are you making the claim that Eliot is at fault for documenting and bringing to light a long history of harassment rather than, say, the person doing the harassment?

"criticism" isn't really something that you'd send someone after they've been harassing for months and refusing to stop.

did you read this thread at all or are you just jumping in because you're exactly the kind of person this thread is about protecting people from?

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@kaniini @trwnh @brainblasted @eliotberriot still this is just so dumb. can't you guys see how dumb this is? blobfacepalm

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @1iceloops123 Assuming he is reading these public posts as anonymous I do hope he fixes his opsec. Scrub the internet for all references to this username, and break all associations with his github username and anything that could tie back to his real name.

Come back as someone new somewhere else. This is one of the few places left on the internet where you can actually start over if you have to.

(and again, not do any of the things he was accused of or anything that could be misconstrued as that)

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post

@karolat @kaniini @eliotberriot @trwnh this isn’t dumb at all. Letting people know about an abuser is a public service.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@karolat these people get high on cancelling. If they have a fake, constructed reason they'll do it, and if they have an actual reason backed by evidence they just might overdose

they're just chasing the dragon

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @kaniini @1iceloops123 honestly did he actually do anything wrong other than annoy some people over dm and archive shit that people got assmad over. If you dont want it to crop up again then you shouldn't post it on the internet.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@karolat @brainblasted @eliotberriot @trwnh

let me be very blunt. fediverse devs aren't really into the whole "cancel culture" thing. things have escalated to this point because nothing else was working. if you continue to play with fire after everyone tells you to stop playing with fire, you eventually get burned. that is precisely what has happened here.

he has had interactions with MANY people in the fediverse dev community, and all of us told him the same thing.

the fact that he couldn't let the ginny thing go means that funkwhale had to eventually respond in this way, because their other options were already taken.

we really aren't interested in kicking people off the island for no reason. this has been building for several months now.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@tankie
The creeping accusations are the only complaints in that longpost I even acknowledge. If that wasn't in there, the dude would probably just shrug this off and not have deleted his account...maybe

Like, why should I give a shit if he has an unpopular opinion?
@kaniini @1iceloops123

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @tankie @1iceloops123

yes, the entire problem is that he just kept starting shit with people unnecessarily. who cares about his opinions?

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @tankie @kaniini i don't care either like all i known the guy did the archive stuff and wanted to say the n word.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@karolat @brainblasted @eliotberriot @kaniini I guess he ended up nuking himself after all. I told him not to bother trying to talk logic into the insane alt-left side of fedi, but he kept going at it. He never understood there was no point in trying to engage with them as he'd only keep getting ganged upon and ignored, and here we go, one of these nutjobs made an entire blogpost about him.

A shame, he was a much better addition to this network than any of these assholes, considering he was willing to debate any topic in good faith.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini
I did notice that. I typically ignored those posts but I facepalmed on the inside every time.

He was nice to me/seemed to trust me. Maybe I should have DM'd him to takeiteasy instead of looking the other way lol
@1iceloops123 @tankie

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @dielan @tankie sorry shitposter.club is acting shitty for me

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@1iceloops123
were drowning in http500s and probably will until tomorrow fyi
@kaniini @tankie

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @dielan also the post they say mansplaining what i understand it is that its women disgreeing with men?

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@nerthos @karolat @brainblasted @eliotberriot

we all told him to just leave people alone that did not want to interact with him. the problem is that he couldn't let those people go. had he been willing to just not engage that side of the fediverse, people would just block him and move on.

@tankie @1iceloops123 @kaniini @dielan private mirrors are a far better prospect than public ones

@opal @tankie @dielan @kaniini yeah like i would like a copy of geo cities

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @1iceloops123 @tankie

i don't think yet another voice telling him to take it easy would have made any difference, when he had an entire chorus telling him this.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@dielan @1iceloops123 @tankie

like, literally, he got devs from basically every mainstream fediverse project to all agree that he needs to shut the fuck up and take it easy. it's near impossible to get that level of agreement on anything in fediverse dev.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@nerthos @karolat @brainblasted @eliotberriot @kaniini a certain austrian just wanted to paint at first

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini
guess anything I could have said would have just been a raindrop in the ocean then
@1iceloops123 @tankie

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @dielan @tankie well its like me on some sites i would get obessived on pissing people off and people use to told me to cool it and i would keep doing it. maybe him getting canned was a good thing.

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@kaniini @dielan @tankie as for me nowadays i'm just here to try to meme when i'm not trying to be serious...

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@kaniini @brainblasted @eliotberriot @trwnh wtf are you talking about not being into the whole cancel culture thing lol are you serious?

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@kaniini @brainblasted @eliotberriot @trwnh this really is the pettiest shit. you guys should be ashamed of yourselves

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@karolat @brainblasted @eliotberriot @trwnh

i don't think publicly condemning someone for continuously evading blocks and bans in order to be heard is "petty."

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@kaniini @brainblasted @eliotberriot @trwnh i guess we just disagree that these threads are appropriate every time has a bad time on the internet. the people you guys are cancelling is a person too

@eliotberriot pfiouuuuu et bah....

jsp quoi dire à part bon courage :/

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment
@tankie
Is the argument here that you can do whatever as long as google and stalkers are doing it too?
@dielan @1iceloops123 @kaniini

re: DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | really long post
@karolat
@kaniini @brainblasted @eliotberriot
I'm... really uncomfortable with this callout too? looking over this thread it looks like a lot of shit was going on in matrix or irc or otherwise behind closed doors that I wasn't privy to, so: fair. and the guy seemed like he was like a dog with a bone, in a way that's innocent if annoying from outside but very not good if there were other issues behind the scenes. if that was the callout I would be on board.

but most of this callout is not that. it's "he doesn't like blocks, he filters certain words, he 'enables nazis', he advocates assuming good faith, and he regularly boosts certain content (which seems fairly mild to me and which I also liked/boosted iirc)." I am very uncomfortable with using those as grounds to call for cutting someone out of a community--multiple communities. am I gonna get called out now too, bc I agreed with some of what he said? do I have to worry about anna following me around accusing me in unrelated threads of being a nazi who preys on queer children or something, to spread the word of how terrible I am? or getting kicked from my instance, or getting my instance blocked en masse? it seems sometimes like the only place I could even be safe to voice anything I think are the ones that have way too much in common with 4chan, which obv come with their own problems (no offense: that's just very much not my scene).

it's toxic, is what I'm saying. it's really really toxic.

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@hushpiper @karolat @brainblasted @eliotberriot

i'm not particularly enthused about the callout itself, but i understand why things escalated to that point, having interacted with the person in question.

but had he just taken the advice of literally everyone who talked to him, which was to chill out and take things easy, things wouldn't have escalated to this point.

this escalation happened explicitly *because* he was unwilling to let certain beefs with people go. at some point, if someone who is in charge of a community tells you to leave them the fuck alone, you should just leave them the fuck alone.

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@hushpiper @karolat @kaniini @eliotberriot maybe this post doesn’t do it justice, but this is not the only situation with this user. He has bothered many PoC, has advocated for Nazis when Tusky went to block Gab, and essentially tried to discredit my efforts to get GIMP renamed. In this instance he was directly abusing someone, and we shouldn’t let abuse slide.

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@brainblasted @hushpiper @eliotberriot @karolat

that's honestly the tip of the iceberg. he frequently jumped into shit that didn't concern him and started all sorts of unnecessary "debates" with people who were trying to do work for no reason.

basically, he's a kid who starts shit for attention. and while this isn't particularly unusual behaviour for kids to do, he did so with such frequency and going to such extremes that it was naturally pissing off people.

it's no surprise that he pissed ginny off. ginny is someone who is quite easy to piss off. but here's the thing, when he annoys people, or worse, outright pisses them off, he doesn't quit. which is why *everyone* who talked to him basically kept telling him the same thing: chill the fuck out and take it easy.

had he heeded this advice, the callout would never have happened.

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@kaniini @brainblasted @eliotberriot @hushpiper @karolat
"he frequently jumped into shit that didn't concern him and started all sorts of unnecessary "debates". i see people do this all the time. thats my 2cents on it.

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@ice @brainblasted @eliotberriot @hushpiper @karolat

yes, and they get told to go away and they usually go away, or we block these people.

not dash. dash sees "go away" and decides to continue pushing forward, evading blocks and bans.

that is ultimately the root of the problem. the kid won't take no for an answer.
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@kaniini
@ice @brainblasted @eliotberriot @karolat
like I said, if that (not letting things go, going too far, harassing ppl who did not want contact) were the callout I would be on board. but that wasn't the case.

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@hushpiper @ice @brainblasted @eliotberriot @karolat

i can't control how other people decide to frame the problem. all i can do is tell you what the problem people were having with him is.

I don't want to speak for eliot, but i believe he used this framing to make the point that he was combative in this way, looking to start shit for his own attention and amusement, because that's the core of the problem.

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@kaniini thank you for pointing this out. I was under this impression, especially reading https://fanlore.org/wiki/Berries.space :

> On May 28th 2018, the Wayback Machine removed the berries.space archive. Jason, an archivist from Archive Team, apologised for the way archivist DashEquals behaved when archiving berries.space.[10] DashEquals was removed from Archive Team, and also posted their own apology for misrepresenting Archive Team.[11]

But I realized it actually only concerns the discourse part of it, not the archiving work.

I'll update the post to reflect that.

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@eliotberriot

indeed. it's unfortunate it escalated to this point with you all, but i totally understand why it did. hopefully he will learn from this experience and come back in a way that doesn't involve obsessively debating people who are simply trying to do their work.

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@kaniini
@brainblasted @eliotberriot @ice @karolat
I hear you, and I'm not blaming you for the way it was presented or worded: you didn't write it. I take your word for it that there were a lot of problems I didn't know about that made a callout necessary.

I just figured I'd speak up about the parts of the callout itself that I'm uncomfortable with. I've seen people very badly hurt by this sort of shit--people who genuinely did not deserve it. and this is a pattern on mastodon. I've seen it on other sites too, and I know that with enough community support for it, it turns into dehumanization and violence. it's not a small nitpick, for me. this is a safety thing.

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@kaniini @hushpiper @brainblasted @eliotberriot @karolat yeah i think dash even got me into his stuff on my shitposter.club account and i kinda regret talking with him like i thought he was a archivist wanting to learn how to fedi worked.

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@brainblasted @hushpiper @eliotberriot @kaniini POC doesn't even mean anything on the fediverse. we're all just people here blobwaitwhat

@eliotberriot >n/
lol, why not use software that doesn't arbitrarily impose post length limits on limits? There is a fork of Mastodon that doesn't force brevity afair, you don't even have to switch to Pleroma

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@karolat @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini PoC have very unique perspectives on things, and sharing them often brings up unique results on here. If there's a pattern of someone targeting marginalized groups, it matters.

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@brainblasted @eliotberriot basically you want people to exclude some dumb fuck kid because he wont shut up and is an epic "nazi enabler."

honestly sounds dumb and petty as shit.

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@brainblasted @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini nah miss me with that 'my identity makes me more valid than you' nonsense. everyone here has their own unique background and is dealing with things in their lives. the fediverse is an equalizer in this regard

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@karolat @brainblasted @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini He tried to reason with are0h (stupid, I know) and didn't give in to "you don't get to talk because you're white"
That's what "bothered many poc" means in this case.

Basically, dashequals didn't put up his ass to be fucked when requested.

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@brainblasted @karolat @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini Nice racism right there, Chris.

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@karolat @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini miss me with this nonsense. Nobody said anything about validity. It’s just a fact that PoC get jumped on for sharing their experience as PoC.

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@kaniini

I'm not the most socially connected Fedi dev and even I have somehow had awful interactions with DashEqual in the past. It's hard to overstate how far reaching DashEquals bad behavior was.

@eliotberriot @trwnh @brainblasted @karolat

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@brainblasted @karolat @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini lol @ people being unique because of their skin

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@karolat @brainblasted @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini i agree and kinda wish people wouldn't pull the race thing because i bet we all can agree that people can be horrible.

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@eliotberriot no one fucking cares lol.
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@ice @karolat @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini people "pull the race thing" because race is a real reason people are targeted or marginalized

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@brainblasted @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini @karolat that what karolat was talking about like i'm a poor white guy. but i know people will say that i'm priviledge because i'm white but the part where i live we have ways where other people can get help.

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@ice @brainblasted @eliotberriot @hushpiper @karolat i think we should just drop this thread. it has outlived it's usefulness.

@brainblasted @karolat @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini
No, they get jumped on because they pretend their anecdotes are objective truth, and they get jumped on for being hypocritical in the process.

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@kaniini i agree i don't want to get stupider

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@kaniini @ice @brainblasted @eliotberriot @hushpiper yeah that

no agoogleclap more agoogleclap cancel agoogleclap threads

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@brainblasted
would you mind untagging me from this? I can't w the idpol rabbit hole rn 😔 (no offense to present rabbits, I'm sure your rabbit holes are lovely)
@ice @eliotberriot @kaniini @karolat

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@ice @eliotberriot @karolat I think you’ve misunderstood what “white priviledge” is. Yes you are poor and no doubt have had your own bad experiences with being poor. But there are even more bad experiences you could have had if you were a PoC. There are certain things that you probably have never worried about because you are white. Things that poor black people experience on top of the bad things you’ve experienced.

@roka @eliotberriot can't figure out which variable to change

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@brainblasted @ice @eliotberriot i don't understand what being a poc has to do with this. everyone can be harassed here equally on the fediverse

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@brainblasted i think the issues are kinda complicated because like most people have had bad experiences in the past thought.

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@ice right, but some bad experience are undoubtedly linked to parts of their identity. Trans people have bad experience stemming from their trans-ness, gay people have bad experiences stemming from being gay. Those are facts.

@brainblasted @ice @eliotberriot @karolat this is by far the most racist thing i've ever read. i can't believe someone would say this shamelessly

DashEquals, call out, toxic behaviour, harassment | updates

I can't answer to everyone, but here are a couple of updates:

DashEqual contacted me in private, on Matrix, stating that he was sorry for the harm his actions may have caused and that he deleted his accounts on various platforms (including fedi and matrix). Let's wait and see what happens next.

I fixed some misintepretations and factual errors in the section related to berries.space and the involvement of DashEquals in the archiving effort. Thank you for pointing this out.

I also updated the post to mention the fact that DashEquals deleted his accounts, rendering most of the links obsoletes.

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merci @Nausicaa moi ça va, c'est surtout les conséquences sur Ginny qui m'inquiètent

@eliotberriot I'm sorry so I removed all evidence that you had. In a while I'm gonna come back to harass you and you'll have a hard time proving anything.

@Lou yeah, probably

@eliotberriot oui mais je la connais pas et perso ça me mettrait super mal a l'aise si un.e inconnu.e allait me parler de trucs comme ça même positivement du coup j'ose pas alors je me rabats au moins sur toi déjà :P

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@eliotberriot Looks like (at least) his main account is gone now...?

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@Nausicaa merci d'être là ❤️

@brainblasted @eliotberriot dont worry, i have screenshots of everything

also, if y'all could tell your piece of shit rabbit friend in this thread to stop gaslighting this whole thing, stop harassing me (they know i have reciepts) and stop pretending they and dansup arent buddies with Dashequals and posturing that they were "trying to tell him" while simultaneously being assholes, that'd be cool

I am taking no fucking shit today.

@brainblasted @eliotberriot i just really hope y'all are smart enough to see how that rabbit is using the situation with both positioning them and their friends as the reasonable ones (obvious lies) while simultaneously gaslighting the whole thing using language like dashequals was "pissing people off" and not directly stalking and harassing women for months. Like, it's suuuuper obvious.

@eliotberriot I appreciate that you wrote this. Communities too easily fall into a trap of supporting abusers, and it's good to have things go the other direction for a change.

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@karolat @eliotberriot @trwnh @kaniini @brainblasted You have the option to not participate in this thread if you don't want to. Not every fediverse thread is personally curated for your special tastes.

@brainblasted @eliotberriot "it's no surprise that he pissed ginny off. ginny is someone who is quite easy to piss off." haha women who are abused are so touchy

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@neko @1iceloops123 @dielan @kaniini yeah and it's dumb to make a scapegoat out of someone for being honest about doing what 900 other nefarious entities are doing silently

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@karolat

Shitting on people trying to protect themselves is petty.

Jumping into threads to victim blame is petty.

Using slurs (yes, 'dumb' is a slur) to belittle and degrade victims of harassment is petty.

Falling back to highhorsing and shaming is petty.

Petty is refusing to support the people harmed by someone (-=) who, from all accounts, has had more than they deserved in the realm of second (and N+1) chances.

Petty is you, Karolat.

Now, you can either sulk (or spit vitriol back at me) about it, or you can do the hard thing and learn from this.

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@karolat

Go read up on ways to support marginalized individuals.
Go touch a tree and think about how little you are compared to the universe.

Go fly a kite.

Just go and come back when you're ready to be better.

You are the support system of the oppressors.
You are the one you facilitates fascists, abusers, and harassers.
You are normalizing abusive behaviors, and it's more than petty.

It's toxic and poorly considered.

Do better.

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@eryn you're absolutely right

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@brainblasted @karolat @eliotberriot @hushpiper @kaniini

maybe because you treat it like its some unassailable victim card? You know, where, even if somebody is a homeless person who was literally raped every day by their father and then became a meth addict and sucked dick for pocket change, and their life ends by being eaten alive by a deranged serial killer, that's all irrelevant because of privilege...

So yes, you do imply its not valid by saying white privilege means they didnt have it just as bad or worse than most or all black people, just because an alternate universe where that person would be black would be worse *in your mind*. There of course need be no evidence, because its just you wearing your own bigotry on your sleeve. You have convinced yourself so completely that your melanin is a curse, that that is all it can ever be for you. I have always liked black people, and in many ways was raised more on their culture than any other.

you know, richard pryor, eddie murphy, dave chappelle, Sade, NWA, Biggie, Big L, Tupac, Taj Mahal wesley snipes, forrest whittaker etc. etc.


Many of them talked about race a lot, but none of them balked away from the fact that black people were also culpable in not achieving their potential, even though racism was a much larger problem even just back then in the 90s. But hey, those facts or the fact that for the last couple of years I have listened to almost nothing except black artists (as it happens, it wasn't done with intent, really), but of course to you that's just cultural appropriation, or the 'taste-equivalent' of 'having a black friend'. I lost my virginity to a black woman as well. My point here being that your attitude, and that of people who share your ideology have alienated people like me. I don't have an interest in 'PoCs' anymore as a group, because what I realized is that the only way forward for black people in america is to lean more into individualism, as many who succeed in fact do.

Further, what do I even owe black people, just because I am white-looking? My father came to this country in the early 1960s as a four-year old, because our family might well have been killed if they stayed. I seem to have missed the period of history in which Yugoslavia was a colonial power, perhaps you could point it out to me? Further, these days, if you want to be a 'white ally' of black people, you cannot do right for doing wrong, and your attitude is emblematic of that.

I will emphasize again, I have only ever liked black people, and the ones I have known have always been very kind to me and approachable as well. I have no problem thanking black people for the things they have done for me personally, but I'm not going to take partial responsibility for something I didn't do and would have seen it as my duty to stop if I were witness to it(slavery/jim crowe/general abuse of black people etc., in case it wasn't clear).

On the reverse side, let us note that I have seen no small number of 'lefty-nu-beta-cuck-blacks' of current year refer to their 'brothers' as coons and uncle toms if they express something trivial like 'I regret my ancestors were slaves, but im happy I live in today's america' instead of, say, Malawi or zimbabwe or 'zaire'.

Now, I have taken the time to write this to you, but shall I predict the future? This long post will be taken as evidence of 'dogpiling' or 'silencing' black people, when you have an equal ability to communicate on this platform. Further, if you *really* didnt want to ever have to deal with it, like girls on the internet, you can choose to identify yourself as a PoC, and of course you should feel free to do so if you want, but if you really feared reprisal you wouldnt metaphorically put the star-of-david-armband on yourself, if the option existed to just be fine as the alternative? It is in part because you appear to be simultaeneously ashamed of your skin colour and overly proud of it(despite it having no intrinsic value), and so you probably arent able to interact healthily with any whites at all.

I've done my best here not to mock you, because I think you might someday come around, or at least be more thoughtful than(clearly) you are today.

Feel free to be angry at me for anything I have said or failed to say, no hard feelings. The length of this reply was not meant to be a 'dogpile' or anything, I am literally just incapable of being efficient with the written word. I could have just posted a picture of 'nigga please' cereal and laughed and left, but I didnt feel that would fully convey everything I had to say. Hopefully there's at least some chance this will reach you, and my instance isnt blocked from yours.


Either way, I suppose writing out my feelings and thoughts on the issue was a worthwhile endeavor in itself, even if not.

I hope someday you can join me and everyone else who still believe in the words of MLK, though we seem to get fewer and fewer as time goes by.

Either way, what I do know is is, Soca what the whole world need.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5WZKnTCTmI

@eliotberriot Thank you for this. Needed doing.

@erosdiscordia thanks for the support, it really means a lot

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@eliotberriot thanks for saying this. It needed saying.
I don't think I can do much, but I support you

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@kyzh that's a lot already !