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I'm at the point where I'm seeing decentralization and community control of production as less of a means to slowly move away from capitalism, and more of a crucial effort to ensure our communities' survival when capitalism inevitably and imminently collapses

Once you pay attention, you start to notice that once the 18-wheelers stop coming, most of us are fucked. Especially now, when most of our possessions are designed to be ephemeral to force us to regularly replenish them

You can't rely on the internet to always give you that information once you need it. You need not only the knowledge, but the experience to keep things running after our lifelines are cut. We need DIY culture and local infrastructure now

@socalledunitedstates

i'm not so worried about capitalism collapsing. there's a lot of vested interest in keeping it afloat, even if it hurts people. i'm motivated to create a better alt-future for the sake of autonomy and protecting my loved ones from the harsh, uncivilized capitalist economy.

either way, DIY culture is the way to go. i'm def convinced that modern tech is such that we can just go our own way and build a parallel cooperative economy with some hard work and very small amounts of capital.

scientia est potentia!

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"Why do you have all those books you can just use the internet"

Look, all of our communications are satellite based and stupid easy to disrupt. I'd rather have important stuff stored somewhere that doesn't run out of batteries.

@xj9 Capitalism isn't going to collapse because people want it to. It's just unstable, and becoming more so fast

@socalledunitedstates

well, in that case. [citation needed]

how do we know collapse is imminent?

@Roxxie_Riot @socalledunitedstates also not everything will always be available online!

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@socalledunitedstates @xj9 I've been thinking the western economy was going to collapse for half a decade, it just won't happen. The powers that be are VERY good at making things seem just fine when they aren't. Hell, nearly 1/10 people in the USA minimum can't eat regularly (2016 food insescurity rate). If people aren't rioting over that, they won't ever. I have to side with xj9, that building a decentralized network regardless of the state of the wests economy will offer an alternative and likely a much better one to desperate people.

@socalledunitedstates word, and it's also a case of "but what if we create a better world for nothing?"

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@kaikatsu @xj9 You misunderstand me. If people were rioting, capitalism would *fall*. I said that capitalism is going to *collapse*. It will create its own gravediggers, become unable to sustain itself, and fall apart

@socalledunitedstates - This. Our supply chain is designed to just barely meet the needs of its customers, as to reduce operating costs. As a result, a few trucks stop coming, and people will start to go hungry, go without medicines.

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@socalledunitedstates @kaikatsu

if you have evidence to back up your theory, i'd love to read it. personally, i don't care if capitalism is on the verge of collapse or not. transitions between economic systems are messy and blurry if you look back at history. predicting the exact moment when the state transition will occur doesn't seem very useful to me. like, what do you even do with that information, assuming it can be known at all?

capitalism doesn't have to be dead for post-capitalism to start existing. we can start building new systems today! the important thing is that we are doing things that meaningfully impact the people that we care about. working on decentralized tech, starting workers cooperatives, getting into DIY, joining an hackerspace, &c. most especially, creating strong human networks that share our values: egalitarianism, efficiency, autonomy.

it is also a misconception that ANY economic transition completely destroyed its precursor. every new system is an EVOLUTIONARY STEP towards something better. the Good Parts of all preceding systems still exist. each step is revolutionary, but the are ALWAYS echoes of the past in everything that we do.

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@xj9 @socalledunitedstates @kaikatsu As per Dymitri Kleiner "You can't code away their wealth", all economic systems exist simultaneously and there can be transvestment between economic modes.

Here in brexitland is a good example. It's capitalism, but we still also have some amount of feudalism remaining.

Transitions in history are messy. There were discreet events in the transition from feudalism to capitalism, like the French revolution, but mostly it was a less dramatic drip-feed of changes to laws and enclosures.

@socalledunitedstates Where would you recommend starting on picking up these skills?

@inkblot_sandwiches Think of something you want to know how to do and look up how to do it. Go to events at public libraries where they teach things, or even better a free skool if there's one in your area. Talk to your neighbors and friends who have skills and ask them to teach you. Look for local chapters of groups like Food Not Lawns or Sewing Rebellion. Ask around on Mastodon, and read the SunDIY tag

@socalledunitedstates we really need widespread local / regional insulin and other med production, as well as needles n stuff. i can’t stop thinking about it.

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Without unions and political orgs most people won't have an organic way to connect to those things or even have that as a first thought, so we need to be building that *now* before the idea that we can coordinate local "survival" societies is a reality.

I mean yeah people can find connections with them after the fact but the state will just put that down and install a disaster capitalism dictatorship from wherever is still stable enough to rule.

@ox
I think Four Thieves Vinegar and Open Insulin are working on this.

https://experiencelife.com/article/pumping-irony-make-your-medicine/

It's still experimental, but @solarbear was suggesting bringing back neighborhood apothecaries to help people select meds. Maybe they could also be the local medicine synthesizer. Some places still have compounding pharmacies that could probably fill this role.

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@socalledunitedstates God, yes. Some of the most important work anticapitalists can do is setting up local infrastructure (esp. for food and medicine). If we don't, neither revolution nor collapse will go well for us.

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Literally have a stack of books I refuse to throw away cus they're filled with medical and farming information.

@Chickiepup Leave them in a free library so other people can learn too!

@socalledunitedstates I'm surprised I hadn't seen this before because hell yeah fuckin'

I like that you mention trucking because it's so crucial to our current civilization, and the survival of everyone. Especially since the trucking industry is the single largest employer in most states. What this means is that the trucks don't have to stop coming, they just have to stop being driven, and everything collapses. Which will be in a decade or so.

@xj9
We know that crisis is imminent (recession/depression), but anyone who thinks they have a timeline for the complete collapse of capitalism is applying way to much logic (if a happens b will follow) to a dialectical situation (when a happens b will depend on our reaction to it)
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@xj9 @socalledunitedstates
Well, hell. It's arguable we're in a crisis right now, but I'm referring to it getting worse anyway.

@nergalur @socalledunitedstates

https://social.sunshinegardens.org/notice/2161393

if you have evidence to back up your theory, i’d love to read it. personally, i don’t care if capitalism is on the verge of collapse or not. transitions between economic systems are messy and blurry if you look back at history. predicting the exact moment when the state transition will occur doesn’t seem very useful to me. like, what do you even do with that information, assuming it can be known at all?

capitalism doesn’t have to be dead for post-capitalism to start existing. we can start building new systems today! the important thing is that we are doing things that meaningfully impact the people that we care about. working on decentralized tech, starting workers cooperatives, getting into DIY, joining an hackerspace, &c. most especially, creating strong human networks that share our values: egalitarianism, efficiency, autonomy.

as a computer scientist, the most helpful think i can do i work out how to keep a durable copy of our technology on repurposed “salvage tech”. while i do have some interest in developing a homebrew microfab processes, salvage is a much more efficient strategy for equipping gen1 walkaway networks.

as hackers, we can find and solve problems through the application of knowledge. part of this is documenting causes and directing people to solutions. yeah ok collapse or whatever, let’s build a homebrew civilization because we can, and we can help our friends by doing it.

re: politics

@daughter @kaikatsu @socalledunitedstates @zensaiyuki

just site your sources. that's it. it makes the thread way more useful. blobcatnerd

@daughter @kaikatsu @socalledunitedstates @zensaiyuki

i'm saying build something. my something is called https://walkaway.wiki and https://sunshinegardens.org/about/

or if you're going to say something happened, do it FUCKING right and post a god damn source.

@daughter

maybe overreacted lol i'm tripping rn

@daughter @socalledunitedstates @xj9 @zensaiyuki Can I get untagged? This is like a months old post
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This is the best post I've read today

@zensaiyuki @socalledunitedstates @xj9

@socalledunitedstates my town needs the coal train to come in daily if not twice a day, or else our town will have rolling blackouts.

@emsenn Sounds like it's time to get ahead of the game with DIY energy independence

https://wiki.sunbeam.city/doku.php?id=energy

@socalledunitedstates I'm suuuuper late to this, but I just found out about the Foxfire books, which have tons and tons of information in them that'd be useful for exactly this scenario.

https://www.amazon.com/Foxfire-Book-Dressing-Building-Moonshining/dp/038507350X/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

@emsenn @socalledunitedstates ...that's *horrifying,* both in terms of amount of coal and the precariousness of your town's power situation